B is for Book
Author Bill Kirk is here
today to discuss his latest book "A Brainy Refrain," and teach us a thing or
two about writing in rhyme. Thanks Bill!
Bill is a grandparent, a runner, an Eagle Scout and a Boy Scout leader and active in his church. So why does he write? Because he'd rather be doing that than just about anything else.
To learn more about Bill check out his blog or his website.
"A Brainy Refrain,"
is the fourth book in The Sum of Our Parts series. Can you tell us a little
bit about the series?
Thanks for hosting me today,
Rena. THE SUM OF OUR PARTS series, which
my publisher has abbreviated TSOOP, actually began as a single book, “No Bones
About It” (2009) which covers the human skeleton from toe to head.
So far, four books, all
illustrated by Eugene Ruble, are out including books on the skeleton,
circulation, muscles and now the nervous system. Other TSOOP books are in the pipeline for
publication over the next couple years.
I’m very much looking forward to having a full menu of anatomical books for
readers to choose from depending on which system(s) they wish to learn about.
What inspired you to write The Sum of Our Parts series?
In 2007, I wrote the bones manuscript
on a lark because our grandson was having a little trouble in 7th
grade science. When the class got to the
skeleton, I figured there had to be a fun way to play around with the bones in
the skeleton to make them easier to learn.
The idea for the series actually
came later after I began shopping the Bones manuscript around. I finally got a nibble from a science editor
who asked if I had more. So, I just
started writing, one anatomical system at a time. Although the series didn’t work out with
that first publisher, fortunately, TSOOP has been a great fit at Guardian Angel
Publishing.
What’s it like writing a factual book in rhyme?
Great question, Rena. I suppose the most challenging part is
finding ways to use technical terminology (like the name of a muscle) in a rhyming verse
while retaining a fairly solid semblance of the rhythm. When writing pretty much anything in rhyme,
the ear generally expects to hear a consistency in the cadence. I suppose you could call it the “Law of
Preservation of Rhythm”—you heard it here first.
Some verses come relatively easily,
especially ones which are not built around a technical term. For example, the Muscle book opens with:
Without any muscles
You’d be in a fix—
With just skin and bones,
You couldn’t do tricks,
Like jumping high hurdles
Or swimming a race;
Or squinting both eyes
Or running in place.
Other times smoothing out the
sound of a verse can be a bit of a stretch, pardon the pun, especially when the
verse calls for a very specific technical term. Fitting it in can be both frustrating and
fun. For example, here’s a verse where
the muscle name at first glance might seem impossible to work around:
Turn your head to the left,
Check your neck on the right.
Sternocleidomastoid
Is there in plain sight.
For this series, I had the
advantage of the fundamental organization of the various systems. For example, the skeleton has 206 bones, give
or take, and you can start pretty much anywhere. Likewise, there are over 630 muscles waiting
to be rhymed. Just imagine the number of
verses I could have written but didn’t.
Of the books in the series so far, the brain book has been the most
challenging. There is amazing functional
redundancy across sections of the brain.
Also there’s so much we don’t yet know about how it works.
Why did you choose to write this series in rhyme?
That decision was easy because
rhyme is the primary form I use for all my children’s poetry and even much of
my other poetry. For me, rhyme is
fun. When our children were young and
later when our grandchildren came along, reading Dr. Seuss was a staple at
bedtime. So, when I finally started
writing stuff for kids in the late ‘90s, rhyme seemed the natural way to
go. I followed suit when TSOOP came
along.
How long did it take you to write your latest book "A Brainy Refrain?"
I suppose it took a couple
months of writing and rewriting before I had a product that was ready to tweak
and fine tune. In a way writing a rhyme
is like working on a wood carving (which I have dabbled in) or a sculpture
(which I wouldn’t know where to start). With
wood, the final carving doesn’t just appear fully formed. It takes rough cuts to find the basic shape
and then the refining (shaving, sanding, smoothing) begins until the form can
truly be seen.
Did you have to do a lot of research?
Yes, for almost any non-fiction
or technical writing, research is essential.
It’s also important to fact check using at least three different
sources. Sometimes more sources are
needed, especially where there are differences in numbers, spelling and even
functional descriptions. In some cases,
settling on a generally agreed upon range may be the best course when trying to
decide what to include and what to omit.
What was the hardest part (research, rhyming etc.)?
That’s a very thought provoking
question. Each part of the writing has
its challenges. The research part can
often take a lot of time to get the facts right using credible and respected
sources. Considering the factual nature
of the content, if it’s not right, then it might as well be fiction. So, you have to put in the time.
As for writing in rhyme, it can
be either very easy or excruciating. Personally,
I prefer to find my rhymes the old fashioned way—running down the alphabet
instead of using a rhyming dictionary. It
may take me longer but for me, I gain the most satisfaction from the discovery
of rhyming sets on my own. The results
can be quirky or ribald but that’s where the fun comes in.
And then there’s the rhythmic
aspect of rhyming verse. Sometimes the best
fitting words just appear and other times it’s like pulling teeth. When rhyme (including its cadence and sound)
is good, it’s very, very good. And when
it’s bad, well, you know the rest….
Do you pay attention to meter when writing in rhyme?
Absolutely. Meter—the repetitive beat and cadence
expressed in accented and unaccented syllables in a poem (usually a rhyming
poem)—is one of the first things an editor listens for. If there is a discernible beat that carries
the reader through the verse, the odds of getting a second reading are in your
favor. “Dis” the beat and the rhyme will likely end up in the round
file.
Consistency also counts from one
stanza to the next. Does the rhythm in
the verse alternate in the first-third/second-fourth lines? Or do all the lines follow the same
cadence? Here’s a stanza from one of my
early rhymes in which all four lines start with an unaccented syllable but the
first and third lines end on a soft beat and the second and fourth lines end on
a hard beat.
What happened to my hotdog?
Dad cooked it just for me.
And while it popped and sizzled,
I waited patiently.
Here are a couple verses from a
Thanksgiving rhyme with a slightly different cadence:
Good Morning, daughter! Is everyone up?
Have you had any coffee—at least
your first cup?
Is all the stuff ready, to cook
the big meal?
Is the turkey thawed out? Have you broken the seal?
Remember to take out the small
bag of parts;
One neck and a gizzard—I once
found two hearts!
You did all your shopping? Bought all on your list?
You've checked everything so
nothing was missed?
…and a third example of a math
rhyme with a staccato, drum-like beat:
Numbers, Numbers, all around us.
Numbers, numbers, they astound
us!
Integers can be quite mental;
Fractions, never transcendental.
Counting numbers may well taunt
you.
But ignore them and they'll
haunt you!
Have you ever taken a poetry class? How did you learn to
rhyme?
No, I haven’t had any formal
training in writing poetry or rhyme, although some might say I should
have. Maybe one day I will take a class
just for fun. I’d have to say I have learned
by doing—and by “listening” to how good rhyme sounds. For me words play has endless
possibilities. There are many rhyming
verse formats I haven’t yet tried, such as writing a sonnet or writing rap. Maybe one day.
What do you hope your readers will take away from your
book(s)?
Mainly, I’d like children to be
hooked by the sound when my books are read aloud so they will want to read it
again and again. Maybe they will write
rhymes themselves one day. As for the
content, I hope some of the interesting facts in my books might intrigue a
child to learn more. I can only hope the
anatomical TSOOP series will inspire some child to go to medical school and be
around to take care of me in my old age.
Any advice you wish to share with writers wishing to write a
book in rhyme?
In my early rhyming days, I
wrote a rhyming story titled “Has Anyone Seen My Lost Dinopotamus?” It was long, rambling, unstructured and
nonsensical—and those were its good points.
I was certain it was Dr. Seuss meets e.e. cummings. Thankfully, it never saw the published light
of day. That was 15 years ago.
My advice would be to read lots
of rhyme to get a feel for how it sounds and how the words and the rhythm and
the same sounding line endings carry the rhyme along. Find a critique group, whether online or in
situ, and try your rhymes on the group. And then, write and re-write and
re-write.
As a form, rhyme has developed
somewhat of a bad reputation—too often well deserved. But I wouldn’t let that stop you from trying
it. Who knows? There may be another Dr. Seuss out there among
you. As for me, I guess I’ll just keep
doing it until I get it right. Maybe
I’ll even dust off the old Dinopotamus for another look.
Bill Kirk is author of several books including “There’s A
Spider In My Sink!,” "My Grandma’ Kitchen Rules!,” “There’s A Beetle In My
Bed!,” “A Mid-Summer’s Dance” and “The Sum Of Our Parts” series. To learn more
about him check out his blog by clicking here or his website by clicking here.
Bill is a grandparent, a runner, an Eagle Scout and a Boy Scout leader and active in his church. So why does he write? Because he'd rather be doing that than just about anything else.
To learn more about Bill check out his blog or his website.
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Challenge
--Using the cover from Bill Kirk's book as a prompt write a poem about the brain. Or
--Try writing a rhyming poem. Or
--Try writing a rhyming poem about the body.
Feel free to share your poem in the comments below, on your blog (leave a link in the comments), or on the poetry Facebook page.
Resources
-- Bill Kirk’s blog is full of wonderful information on
writing in rhyme among other things.
Check out his post on Rhyme: The Good, The Bad And The Doggerel
If you liked this post please let others know. Tomorrow Lissa Clouser will be joining us to talk about poetry contests. I hope you come back for that.
Great post and I totally agree that I don't like using a rhyming dictionary either. Maybe you caught my Suess-like poem about writing on one my old posts. I love the rhythm of poetry even if it doesn't rhyme perfectly.
ReplyDeleteRhythm is important in poetry and in prose. I usually don't write in rhyme unless I do it by accident.
DeleteThanks to all who have stopped by for a look and to comment. Your response to the interview has been very humbling. I'm on the road the next couple weeks but will reply to each comment as I buzz between wi-fi zones.
DeleteI am absolutely amazed at how talented one must be to rhyme with technical words. I do think rhyme is a great idea though, since the rhymes suggest the pronunciation of some words that would normally stump me.
ReplyDeleteHi, Kirsten. Sometimes I think it may be more persistence than talent. Maybe listening for a certain rhythm helps. Thanks for your kind words.
DeleteYour post really shows the craft and skill it takes to work with rhyme. I would like to understand more about incorporating rhythm. I would like to know how to consciously craft cadence in my writing.
ReplyDeleteI'm thrilled that Bill was able to this interview. Studying authors who write the way you would like to write is good place to start. Reading your work out loud is another way to check for rhythm. If something doesn't flow you will pick up on it if you read it aloud. Practice. Practice. Practice.
DeleteYes, I agree with Rena's comments. And it may seem a little odd but listening to country music or some of the early rock n roll or folk songs seems to help tune the ear into cadence and rhythm.
Delete“Law of Preservation of Rhythm”--YES!!! There is finally a term for it!!! :)
ReplyDeleteHaha. Isn't that great!
Delete... and sometimes I find myself living on the edge of the law....
DeleteGreat post and really cool books!
ReplyDeleteThanks. Bill certainly is talented.
DeleteThanks, Lori. With any luck I'll be famous after I'm dead. Until then, I'll have fun playing with rhyme.
DeleteThose books sound great and that rhyming is brilliant, Bill! What a fun way to learn.
ReplyDeleteHere goes:
If you train your brain just right,
you'll flex its muscles day and night,
and if you study really well
your brain will process villanelle.
But don't go nuts or overboard
with too much info filed and stored
you're sure to shake and feel a rumble
brain explodes and head goes tumble.
I like it!!!
DeleteHa ha. Nice Catherine!
DeleteVery cool rhyme, Catherine. Totally gnarly. I think you are on your way. May the rhyming force be with you.
DeleteBill's nonfiction rhyming books are very inspiring. I'll have to refer some on my nonfiction writing friends that love rhyme to this link. Thanks for sharing him with us Rena.
ReplyDeleteI wrote a rhyme about the body.
The Birthday Suit
His suit was worn without a tie
And it was soft and far from dry.
His mom counted his mouth and nose.
His dad had found his tiny toes.
His suit was washed and weighed.
His parents loved what they made.
Oh that was good Jennifer. Cute too!
DeleteVery sweet!
DeleteCute! I'm amazed that someone could write a rhyming non-fiction book. Very cool.
DeleteHi, Jennifer. Nice little verse. With a couple minor tweaks , this one is about ready to sub out. It could fit with a parenting or grandparenting magazine or if there is a local newspaper that has a family life section, they might go for it.
DeleteThis was really good information and a GREAT interview. How amazing is it when artists open up in such a genuine way? Love this! Good job, Rena. Thank you Bill!
ReplyDeleteI love the writing community! I'm glad that Bill was able to share his knowledge.
DeleteYou're welcome, Pam. Rhyme is a bit of an aquired taste, especially the quirky or humorous rhymes, which are fun to write. Feel free to browse around my website if you wish.
DeleteI definitely need to find some of Bill's books as I am attempting to write nonfiction poetry about endangered animals and I learnt a lot today about the rhyming craft. I have been working a lot on meter of late, trying to tap out the rhythm to keep it consistent! Thank you both for such an informative post.
ReplyDeleteHope over to his website to find his books or look him up on Amazon. Good luck with your writing project.
DeleteThanks so much, Joanna. There are many terrific rhymers out there. One you may wish to track down online is Margot Finke, who writes most of her picture books in rhyme as well. She's from downunder but currently lives in Oregon I believe. And by all means drop by my website or blogs any time.
DeleteBill is just a font of knowledge! Loved this post, and glad to see it's not just me who still likes to run down the alphabet to find rhymes. :) Thanks to you both for an excellent and useful post. Off to write my poem (always a bit behind...blame it on the time difference).
ReplyDeleteNo worries. I'm glad that Bill could join us.
DeleteThanks, Renee. I think searching for rhyming words in my head is at least half the fun. Besides, I figure it will help stave off dementia and other such things....
DeleteRemembering a sweet refrain
ReplyDeleteDeFunked poet of long ago
A sweet, quiet refrain
Philosopher of yesteryear
Accounting state of brain
"Insane in the membrane"
"Insane in da brain."
"Insane in the membrane."
A sweet, quiet refrain.
Haha. Nice Pam.
DeleteNow we're talking. Nice one, Pam. Actually, repetition is a very effective tool to use in verse. If my memory is working, I believe it is known as anaphora. Poe used it very well in many of his rhyming poems. Good work.
DeleteLearning so much. I am grateful for this challenge and the opportunity to learn from the pros as I begin this journey! Keep sharing! We love and appreciate It!
DeleteOK, here's my draft - better late than never!
ReplyDeleteWhat I've Got
I've got eyes
and I've got knees
and I've got tonsils,
if you please.
I've got hands,
a mouth, a nose,
and reddish hair that
grows and grows.
I've got legs,
and arms and hips,
and I've got shoulders,
and two lips.
I've got ears
and I've got feet
and I've got fingers --
I'm complete!
I'd get this one in the mail today, Renee. This captures all the pieces and parts simply and in just right way.
DeleteI agree with Bill!
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